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6 points by Darmani 5943 days ago | link | parent

Actually, especially since Arc lacks a debugger, I find it very convenient to be able to just place a pr: or pr. in front of some symbol to get an expression printed out without the behavior changing.


1 point by bOR_ 5942 days ago | link

Wouldn't it be even more beneficial to return the whole, rather than just the first (so that it prints out the whole content of the symbol)?

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2 points by gus_massa 5942 days ago | link

I agree. I think that (pr 1) should return 1.

The problem is with (pr 1 2). Should it return 1 or 2?

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1 point by stefano 5942 days ago | link

It could return the list (1 2), but this would mean to cons up a new list every time we use 'pr just to throw it away. Multiple return values would solve the problem. Why not add them to the language?

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1 point by bOR_ 5941 days ago | link

at least in agent-based models, printing is not the thing that is happening so often that consing up a new list is prohibitive.

How much more expensive is cons compared to multiple return values? I remember there being a long discussion against mrvs.

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2 points by stefano 5941 days ago | link

> How much more expensive is cons compared to multiple return values?

It depends on the GC used and on the implementation. mrvs are usually pushed on the stack, so there is no GC overhead. When I develop applications with Lisp, I notice that most of the time reducing the amount of garbage speeds up the program noticeably. It's not only a problem of consing, it's also a problem of collecting the garbage. More garabage, more collection cycles.

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1 point by xrchz 5931 days ago | link

do pr or prn create a string? it might be less expensive to return that string if it is created

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